SpielByWeb

[HappyProle]

One concern I have with ending the game and declaring a winner in such a stalemate scenario is the possibility that achieving that particulr end condition becomes a strategy for some players -- when clearly that was not Kramer's intention; otherwise I think it would be plainly stated as an alternate end condition.

I think I would prefer a stalemate.

[mHabes]

Even on a normal map it is entirely possible for both players to run out of money. It would be stupid or intentional, but it is possible. I don't have a problem with it, but it strikes me as weird in a Eurogame.

[JeffyJeff]

Case 1: with a winner
Case 2: without a winner



Ie. if the game is deadlocked where the only valid move any player can make is to pass, the site should detect this and declare the game ended. Whether or not the site should consider anyone a winner of the game is it's own issue.

[JeffyJeff]

If it helps I posted the question to the rules forum for the game over at http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/130049

Maybe the German rules address it (wouldn't be 1st time the English translation was different).

Jeff

[spearjr]

[Baldboy_1]

I guess I'm being a bit of a dink here and I apologize. I just want to know how this will be dealt with one way or the other.

My particular game options are:
1) I buy up all the remaining animals and end the game "normally", and lose by a couple points.
2) I use up all my money to buy up as many land cards as possible. This triggers a never-ending game loop, which is either resolved by

i) Normal scoring: I win by a few points; or
ii) Draw decision: I was losing by 24 pts - a draw could be considered a moral victory (I suppose).

Either way, I'm ok with it for this game - but I would like to know how this is going to be dealt with in my game and in future games.

[zoldiz]

Would you please kill our game no 12818?

[Steaky]

I thought this problem was going to be resolved by a "WARNING: you'll have less than $2.00 if turn is complete. Continue Yes/No" type of message.... this has happened to us once again, only b/c I failed to inform the new player we were teaching of this problem. Is there some way we could get this person to be able to earn some $$? Is there a way to place a harvest or water near her. I am still new to the game, myself, and am still kind of clueless as to how to acquire money and points.

Thanks in advance,
--Steaky

[JeffyJeff]

If I had my say the solution is simply to either detect that all players have no moves left except to pass... or if that's too had, simply if all players consectively pass, end the game.

The harder part is deciding if after the site ends a deadlocked game, is whether or not winner(s) will be declared (and it goes into their player stats), or if it's considered a draw and no one wins. I personally say winner(s) should still be declared.

Jeff

[shizzane]

If this ever happens all you need to do is harvest.
Or am I missing something?

I've never played that custom map, but if harvesting is possible that would seem to be the solution to any issues of running out of pesos.

[Steaky]

how can you harvest if you have no $$? Like I said, I'm still not sure of how this game works so I need all the help I can get!
--Steaky

[JeffyJeff]

There is a pointer earlier in this discussion to a game that is in the deadlocked situation.

Problem is you can't harvest a land chain that's already been harvested, and it's possible to end up in such a situation. I'm in a game right now where that is the case.. luckily I planned for it, and I have enough cash to buy up the rest of the animals (though both of my opponents can do nothing but pass until the game is over).

[shizzane]

[Steaky]

Oh I thought it cost $12.00 like the water and haciendas...
I will tell our player to try it...thanks for the help and if it doesn't work, I'll be back with more questions!
--Steaky

[spearjr]