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hirschmeister · Joined: 27 Jul 06 Posts: 2

Help! Playing a 2 person game of Hacienda and both players ran out of pesos, land, and animals. The game is now continuing with each player taking turns at "redo" or "end turn" and no final scoring is taking place.

Any clues?

HappyProle · Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2006 11:58 pm Post subject:

For your incredible efforts at defying logic and getting a game to this nearly impossible state I've awarded you each two pesos. Spend them wisely.

hirschmeister · Joined: 27 Jul 06 Posts: 2

Thank you!! Those pesos will dfinitely be spent wisely. Thank you for bringing this long game to a close withouth self-inflicted harm or sabatoge to my own computer. :D

zoldiz · Joined: 24 Sep 06 Posts: 3 Location: Hungary

we have the same problem with my gf.
this game sucks...

HappyProle · Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 3:12 pm Post subject:

I'm assuming you're talking about game 12818. It looks to me like there are some aspects to the game you're not familiar with. I'd give the game another shot before you write it off. I'd even play a teaching game with you if you like; I'd prefer that to having you walk away from a good game because of a bad first experience.

zoldiz · Joined: 24 Sep 06 Posts: 3 Location: Hungary

Its very kind of you, I respect your helpfulness, but my opinion is the same.
If a game can go into an endless cycle, where you can not do absolutely nothing, that game is bad.
Thanks for trying to help me, but this was my first and last play with this Hazienda.

JeffyJeff · Joined: 27 Oct 05 Posts: 85 Location: Longwood, FL

I would advise you to never play Age of Steam either... you could actually be ejected out of the game if you go bankrupt (but similiar to this game, you can only go bankrupt if you mess up really bad).

Baldboy_1 · Joined: 03 Feb 04 Posts: 11

That seems a bit odd, don't you think. If one is allowed to run out of money, then shouldn't there be a game ending trigger there as well?

I'm in the last rounds of a game (ID #12650) where I want to use my money to buy as many land cards as possible to score points and my opponent has run out of money (due to my blocking). Buying animals gets me nothing other than closer to the end of the game. I want to delay as much as possible in order to climb out of a hole.

Should the game not end when both players are forced to pass?

I realize this isn't in the official rules but it seems clear to me that it's a deficiency, something that didn't come up in the playtesting.

RyanMC · Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 5:34 pm Post subject:

You are playing on a map that isn't an official map. It's far too small for the number of cards that a 2 player game requires. I wouldn't consider it a problem with the game when a custom map causes a problem.
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smlait · Joined: 16 Jul 06 Posts: 392 Location: alberta, canada

I would have to disagree. To have earned the win, you should have to manage your money well enough to buy up the remaining animal cards and force the game to end. Otherwise, the game should be considered a draw/stalemate.

JeffyJeff · Joined: 27 Oct 05 Posts: 85 Location: Longwood, FL

In either case, I do agree that the site should detect the situation and mark the game as over (with or without a winner).

HappyProle

I think that map 023 is broken. Markets are generally what earn you money (and also add a necessary scoring option) and on this map there are only six of them, and on four of those half of the connection spots are inaccessible due to the edge of the board. So you have the equivalent of four markets where you can connect and earn money. That's just not enough.

HappyProle · Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2006 6:14 pm Post subject:

Baldboy_1 · Joined: 03 Feb 04 Posts: 11

Baldboy_1 · Joined: 03 Feb 04 Posts: 11

1. First person to run out of money (or pass) loses.
2. Total up scores after both players pass consecutively. High score wins.
3. Stalemate.
4. Take Map 023 off the list.

I like option 2 the most as it most similar to the real game. Option 4 is obviously a solution but to be honest, I quite liked the tension the tight map provided. This is the only time I've seen a comeback in a game of Hacienda... So, I'd like the Map to stay but would understand if it were scrapped.