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Problem in game #98 + Rules bug report

 
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DeSangre



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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2004 7:03 am    Post subject: Problem in game #98 + Rules bug report Reply with quote

http://www.spielbyweb.com/game.php?games_id=98

It seems like the game skipped my line placement turn with no apparent reason.
I'm using Mozilla Firebird, can that be a problem?
Otherwise please "rewind" the game up to my line placement, thx Very Happy

Little "problem" in Rules

This is what (correctly) the Performing actions section says
" The first player to perform an action is always the one whose action stone is furthest to the left. For line expansion and new buildings this will be the last player who has chosen the action."

Soon after, in the line placement section, you say:
"The first player to choose line expansion (so, the player on square a) must add as many streets to his route as the current maximum number of buses. "

This is false, is not the first player to choose the line expansion, but "the one whose action stone is furthest to the left". (The last, actually)

And then, consequently, there's an error in the New Passengers section too.
"Just as in the case of line expansion, the first player to choose new passengers (so the one on a) must bring into play the same number of passengers as the maximum number of buses."

False. In the case of line expansion is "the one whose action stone is furthest to the left" and not "the first player to choose the action". So "Just as in the case of line expansion" makes no sense to me.


For clarity purposes, you should always just stick to the general concept
" The first player to perform an action is always the one whose action stone is furthest to the left."

Thanks for the great and free service anyway and to Splotter too for allowing this online version ^__^
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2004 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This online version of Bus does follow the correct rules. In your particular case, this was the first turn, meaning that the maximum number of lines that could be placed is equal to one, which is the largest number of buses in anyone's line. The first player to place a stone on Line Expansion, i.e. the player whose stone is in the right-most position, gets to place the maximum number of lines. Always. The next player to place a stone on this action, whose stone is to the left of the first player's, gets to place one fewer line, but gets to expand his/her line before the first player. But since this is the first turn, one fewer than one is zero. This is why you were unable to expand your line, as you were the second player to choose this action in the first turn.

This same algorithm holds true for New Passengers.
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DeSangre



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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2004 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

phil wrote:
This online version of Bus does follow the correct rules. In your particular case, this was the first turn, meaning that the maximum number of lines that could be placed is equal to one, which is the largest number of buses in anyone's line. The first player to place a stone on Line Expansion, i.e. the player whose stone is in the right-most position


What you say seems to go against this:
" The first player to perform an action is always the one whose action stone is furthest to the left. For line expansion and new buildings this will be the last player who has chosen the action."

Otherwise the interface would make absolutely no sense. (WHy sometimes the starting player is on the left? Why sometimes on the right?)
I have played Bus once "for real", and I remember that you always follow the "left to right" order.

I have checked other gamelogs and they all seem to work as you say, but I'm confident that this is the wrong way. If it is NOT the wrong way, (I could be in error, nonetheless Wink ) there is still a problem with the rules as what said earlier in italic would be completely wrong, but I think I am right... Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2004 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think the confusion lies with the terms "select" and "perform". Let's say that the maximum number of buses in any player's line is 2. Player 1 selects Line Expansion, and places his action stone on the right-most square of the Line Expansion track. Player 2 also selects Line Expansion, and places his stone to the immediate left of Player 1's stone. Player 3 also selects Line Expansion, and places his stone to the immediate left of Player 2's stone.

Now it's time to perform actions, which are always carried out from left to right. First to perform Line Expansion is Player 3. He may place MAX - 2 lines, as he was the third player to select the action. Since MAX = 2, he does not get to place any lines (2 - 2 = 0). Next to perform is Player 2, who may place MAX - 1 lines. He places one line. Next to perform is Player 1, who may place MAX lines. He places two lines.

In my opinion, this is consistent with the rules. There are distinct benefits to selecting an action before others (getting to place the MAX amount), and there are distinct benefits to selecting an action after others have (getting to perform the action first). The "first to perform" benefit is not too evident early in the game, as resources are tight, but it does become important later in the game.
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PostPosted: Fri May 07, 2004 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

phil wrote:
In my opinion, this is consistent with the rules. There are distinct benefits to selecting an action before others (getting to place the MAX amount), and there are distinct benefits to selecting an action after others have (getting to perform the action first). The "first to perform" benefit is not too evident early in the game, as resources are tight, but it does become important later in the game.


Thanks for your help this makes things much clearer. There's the possibilty we have been playing wrong when we played IRL Very Happy (I will double check with my friend who owns the game).
Anyway, a couple more examples in the rules could help as they're kinda confusing.
Thanks again Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2020 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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